Date: 2016-01-06 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
Um. At 16, Taurus Buchanen threw "one deadly punch" and killed the 12-year-old that his cousins were already beating:

"Colin (age 15) threw the first punch, and didn’t let up. Mario (age 12) joined in, neighbors looking on. Then Taurus (age 16) waded in and landed one blow. Jacques (age 12) crumpled, and never got up."

... that is not 'a child' accidentally killing another child with one unlucky punch. That is two large, strong teenagers (plus their kid cousin) beating a 12-year-old to death. Mario deserves clemency, because he was only 12, and he neither started the fight nor finished it. Colin and Taurus deserve to be tried as adults, and to serve their time as adults.

Do you agree with the slap-on-the-wrist sentence Lewis Gill got for murdering Andrew Young with one punch (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/461772/Outrage-after-Lewis-Gill-receives-joke-sentence-for-punch-that-killed-Andrew-Young)? Aww c'mon, he's only 20; he didn't mean to kill him; and - significantly unlike Taurus Buchanen - he only threw one punch at an adult his own size; he didn't pile in to deliver the coup de grace to a kid who was already being beaten by two bigger guys. And after all, the person he killed said something he didn't like, and was nobody important anyway, right?

I say murder committed in the course of bullying ought to carry extra penalties - not be hand-waved away because the bully didn't 'intentionally' set out to (physically) kill his victim. "Rot in jail, Taurus Buchanen!" - or do black lives only matter when white cops do the killing? I bet Jacques' mother would not say so.

Edited Date: 2016-01-06 05:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-01-06 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
On the abortion one... The anti-abortion group is now leaning heavily on "I regret my choice" testimonies?! I regret some of my choices too but that doesn't mean there should have been a law to prevent me from MAKING that choice. Other people might make the same choice I regret and be very happy about it. I just can't see how that will actually go over in court. Except it probably will because law makers tend to be religious and/or think with their wallets. You'd think, though, that the conservative, anti-big-government folks would be the ones saying to leave that up to choice, instead of legislating away a freedom.

Date: 2016-01-07 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
I agree that there ought to be a clearer distinction between minors and adults, but I think that in cases of violent crime, 16 ought to be legally considered 'adult', and tried as such. Taurus Buchanen was tried as an adult, and he got an adult's sentence.

I don't agree with mandatory sentences of life without parole. I think it ought to be an option, but only used in cases of 'career evil' such as serial rapists and murderers, human traffickers, etc. Maybe Taurus Buchanen at 16 hadn't achieved that level of evil yet, but from the court testimony I read, it sure sounds like he was working toward it as fast as possible.

I would not be a good choice for a jury to hear a case of second-degree murder committed in the course of bullying, because due to my lived experience, my fixed opinion is that those who hurt vulnerable people for fun deserve to be stomped. Wah wah, the killer is so sorry now that he and his two cousins ambushed a little boy out riding his bike, and beat him to death in cold blood as he screamed "leave me alone, leave me alone"...? Cry me a frickin' river.

Date: 2016-01-08 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
I certainly agree that the whole prison system is a mess, and needs to be overhauled from the ground up. However, I don't agree that prisons should be 'for' rehabilitation. Prisons should be for keeping dangerous people where they can't harm others; it's not for their benefit that they're sent there. If some of those people choose to rehabilitate themselves, that's all to the good, and they deserve some help and encouragement in doing it, but prison is not church, school or therapy, and should not be expected to act as such.

I do agree that it's cruel and unusual punishment to sentence a teenager to spend the rest of his life in prison with no hope of ever getting out. However, for those who want to concern themselves with this issue, there are 3,278 people serving life sentences without parole for non-violent offenses (https://www.aclu.org/report/living-death-life-without-parole-nonviolent-offenses), and I'd say their cases merit more attention than that of Taurus Buchanen.

Date: 2016-01-11 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
"I disagree. I think it's to society's benefit if we get those people functioning and back in the world."

I didn't say it's not to society's benefit if people rehabilitate themselves, and leave prison to lead law-abiding lives. Obviously, when people do that, it's to their own benefit as well. But, equally obviously, people are not sent to prison "for their own good", because if they agreed it was for their good, the doors wouldn't need locks.

The idea that 'these people' are not functioning begs the question of what 'functionality' looks like in the world to which they're to be sent back. Sounds like Taurus Buchanen was functioning just fine in his world, till he was unlucky enough to commit murder when he only intended assault and battery.

Did you ever read A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess, or see the movie? (The book is better, of course.) Alex, the protagonist, is happily and successfully well-adjusted to his ultraviolent world, till he's unlucky enough to commit murder in the course of assault. The attempt to get him 'functioning' and back in the world doesn't go so well, because the world is the same one he left, only now he's prey rather than predator.

There's only so much damn a person can give, and I haven't got any to spare for bullies who beat children to death. Perhaps Taurus Buchanen's life sentence will serve as a cautionary tale to other teens: sucker-punch someone, and you might grow old behind bars, because "I didn't mean to kill him" is not a valid excuse.
Edited Date: 2016-01-11 01:22 am (UTC)

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