*dramatic eyeroll*

[conuly]

I'm not entirely sure that the service was as bad as he says (though the comment at the end was out of line), but that's not the point. I could be wrong here, I often am. The point is that this guy has a crazy idea that if you don't like your job, you can just leave and get a better one. If your boss isn't paying you adaquately, you can just call in the authorities and everything will be all right, because there's this law.

I'm not sure if I'm laughing or crying here, but whatever I'm doing, at least I'm doing it in the real world.

Comments

[thren0dy.livejournal.com]

I read that, and I think the customer was in the wrong. Doesn't believe in tipping - who are they, Mr. Pink?

That attitude pisses me off. And if they really did work as a waiter/waitress, they should damn well know better. I had a couple friends who worked in a restaurant, one was a prep cook and one was a regular cook. The waitresses were supposed to give the kitchen staff part of their tips, but no one enforced them doing it or how much they gave. One night, there was a call-in order for a convention. The bill came to about $900. The waitress who took the order took $90 of the $100 tip, and doled the leftover ten dollars to the 10 people working in the kitchen. All she did was write down the order and and hand the person their boxes when they showed up to get the food. The people who actually did all the work got a buck. Now I know this is not the only restaurant in the United States where this kind of shady BS goes on, so people who don't tip, or don't tip very well, really chap my hide. Yes, the waitresses were greedy, but the management did not give a shit about making sure the wait staff got tipped.

[conuly]

See my comment below about mandatory tipping. I *do* tip, not tipping is stealing, but I don't *like* it.

[mortaine.livejournal.com]

Bwahahah.... I am *so* sending that to waiterrant!!!

[conuly]

Go ahead. To be fair, I hate the idea of "you must tip". I know why that idea exists (because people aren't being paid minimum wage) but I hate it anyway. I'd be thrilled if restaurants were required to pay minimum wage, prices went up slightly (to about the amount they are already with tip factored in) and tips were optional again.

[kayt-arminta.livejournal.com]

hi, i followed you over from Customers Suck. just wanted to let you know that i added you to my friends list. i often find what you write to be refreshing, adn from an oposite angle from where i see it... but oddly enough, we more then often seem to agree on the same points.

hope you don't mind the adding to my friends list.

[conuly]

I never mind. I must warn you, though, that I post a lot. If this is a problem, be warned.

[bridgetester.livejournal.com]

I really hope this later comment (http://www.livejournal.com/community/bad_service/228239.html?thread=2428047#t2428047) is sarcastic...

Intelligence is good and all, but you need dumb luck too.

[conuly]

I think that poster lacks the intelligence to see that people don't say "wow, I have a service job, I'm so proud" but instead "wow, I have a service job, I'm not yet graduated from college and all the better jobs are taken, I should hold on to it".

He's serious... but also pathetic at the same time.

[takaal.livejournal.com]

I just had to go look at the guy's journal... I think he's still in HS. So, naturally, he hasn't *had* to go to college yet.

[targaff.livejournal.com]

Sorry, but I'm with the poster. You tip for service, you tip well for good service; but this person was being consistently rude and essentially not doing his job - and you get paid, whether by wage or by tip, to do your job. Just because he doesn't want to be there, which appears to be the prevailing justification here, doesn't mean he doesn't have to make an effort. If that was the way it worked, I'd just sit and browse the web all day.

I tip like a fiend, but I wouldn't have tipped that server either. I've followed forums/communities/etc. about bad service and I also used to read customers_suck, but I stopped doing both because both groups have entitlement issues and both really need to get over it.

[missfahrenheit.livejournal.com]

I didn't tip today because I had bad service. Shock horror!

Of course though, I'm in a country where waitstaff get real wages, and tipping isn't customary. As a waitress I've been on about £4.50 - 5.75 an hour (approx $9 to $11.50), and in a year and a half I've only ever been tipped once.

[conuly]

Here's my issue. The guy, in the beginning, didn't act that badly. It's hard to see this because of the way the post is written, but basically our friend here had to wait a few minutes to be served. And then afterwards, when it appeared that he wasn't getting tipped, the server did something stupid and said something sarcastic. Up until the comment part, I don't think that the server did anything wrong. He was slow.

But fine. No tip for you.

But then our friend makes a point of 1. not talking to the manager and 2. continuing to go to that bar on the same day and sitting where he's sure to get that same server, and continuing to not tip. If I knew I wasn't getting a tip, I wouldn't work for it either.

The whole thing smells fishy, and then when you add comments like "he should just leave and get a real job" or "he's too stupid/lazy to get a better job if he's stuck in one where they don't pay right", I'm not so sure I believe any part of the poster's story.

[leora.livejournal.com]

I hate the culture of tipping. I hate it so much that I will actively avoid services that expect tips. However, when I do use them, I tip, because you have to. I would be much happier, and much more likely to use various services if the wages were built into the prices, and tipping were not required.

Although, I do think it's crass and unamaerican. Tipping used to be seen as something done in Europe. It was inappropriate in an egalitarian society of equals. To tip someone was to insult them. They did their job for the pride of doing it.

That idea is so long gone that it's decomposed. But I wish we could go back to that. Pay people well, and then maybe they'll try to do a good job. And it makes the math easier when you go to buy something. Plus less social awkwardness.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I can't get over the fact that they think this place has an English pub style atmosphere. It's hilarious!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

And as for the whole tipping culture, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

[mhari.livejournal.com]

I tried to read that thread, but I kept passing out from the self-satisfaction fumes.

[thren0dy.livejournal.com]

I read that, and I think the customer was in the wrong. Doesn't believe in tipping - who are they, Mr. Pink?

That attitude pisses me off. And if they really did work as a waiter/waitress, they should damn well know better. I had a couple friends who worked in a restaurant, one was a prep cook and one was a regular cook. The waitresses were supposed to give the kitchen staff part of their tips, but no one enforced them doing it or how much they gave. One night, there was a call-in order for a convention. The bill came to about $900. The waitress who took the order took $90 of the $100 tip, and doled the leftover ten dollars to the 10 people working in the kitchen. All she did was write down the order and and hand the person their boxes when they showed up to get the food. The people who actually did all the work got a buck. Now I know this is not the only restaurant in the United States where this kind of shady BS goes on, so people who don't tip, or don't tip very well, really chap my hide. Yes, the waitresses were greedy, but the management did not give a shit about making sure the wait staff got tipped.

[conuly]

See my comment below about mandatory tipping. I *do* tip, not tipping is stealing, but I don't *like* it.

[mortaine.livejournal.com]

Bwahahah.... I am *so* sending that to waiterrant!!!

[conuly]

Go ahead. To be fair, I hate the idea of "you must tip". I know why that idea exists (because people aren't being paid minimum wage) but I hate it anyway. I'd be thrilled if restaurants were required to pay minimum wage, prices went up slightly (to about the amount they are already with tip factored in) and tips were optional again.

[kayt-arminta.livejournal.com]

hi, i followed you over from Customers Suck. just wanted to let you know that i added you to my friends list. i often find what you write to be refreshing, adn from an oposite angle from where i see it... but oddly enough, we more then often seem to agree on the same points.

hope you don't mind the adding to my friends list.

[conuly]

I never mind. I must warn you, though, that I post a lot. If this is a problem, be warned.

[bridgetester.livejournal.com]

I really hope this later comment (http://www.livejournal.com/community/bad_service/228239.html?thread=2428047#t2428047) is sarcastic...

Intelligence is good and all, but you need dumb luck too.

[conuly]

I think that poster lacks the intelligence to see that people don't say "wow, I have a service job, I'm so proud" but instead "wow, I have a service job, I'm not yet graduated from college and all the better jobs are taken, I should hold on to it".

[targaff.livejournal.com]

Sorry, but I'm with the poster. You tip for service, you tip well for good service; but this person was being consistently rude and essentially not doing his job - and you get paid, whether by wage or by tip, to do your job. Just because he doesn't want to be there, which appears to be the prevailing justification here, doesn't mean he doesn't have to make an effort. If that was the way it worked, I'd just sit and browse the web all day.

I tip like a fiend, but I wouldn't have tipped that server either. I've followed forums/communities/etc. about bad service and I also used to read customers_suck, but I stopped doing both because both groups have entitlement issues and both really need to get over it.

[missfahrenheit.livejournal.com]

I didn't tip today because I had bad service. Shock horror!

Of course though, I'm in a country where waitstaff get real wages, and tipping isn't customary. As a waitress I've been on about £4.50 - 5.75 an hour (approx $9 to $11.50), and in a year and a half I've only ever been tipped once.

[leora.livejournal.com]

I hate the culture of tipping. I hate it so much that I will actively avoid services that expect tips. However, when I do use them, I tip, because you have to. I would be much happier, and much more likely to use various services if the wages were built into the prices, and tipping were not required.

Although, I do think it's crass and unamaerican. Tipping used to be seen as something done in Europe. It was inappropriate in an egalitarian society of equals. To tip someone was to insult them. They did their job for the pride of doing it.

That idea is so long gone that it's decomposed. But I wish we could go back to that. Pay people well, and then maybe they'll try to do a good job. And it makes the math easier when you go to buy something. Plus less social awkwardness.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I can't get over the fact that they think this place has an English pub style atmosphere. It's hilarious!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

And as for the whole tipping culture, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

[mhari.livejournal.com]

I tried to read that thread, but I kept passing out from the self-satisfaction fumes.