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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2005-01-27 11:38 pm

Random question.

After much study and hard work, I've found various ways of writing sign languages.

They all look impossible. Part of this, of course, is the fact that I cannot speak a sign language, but part of it is... they're impossible. I keep thinking that there has got to be a better way.

I think part of the problem is that they all seem to be written like English - linearly. But we all know that in sign languages, you can do several things at once. You have to. You have at least three cheremes (position, movement, handshape), four if you count facial expression, probably more (like I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about). They don't go linearly, they can't. Your hand is always somewhere. But people are trying to write them linearly.

I have an idea, but I don't know how good it is, because, as I said, I know nothing about sign languages. But is it possible that a system like Korean's would work better? Hangul is a syllabic alphabet. Each syllable is made up of phonemes that are... I don't know, stacked? It's all explained briefly here. What if an alphabet for a particular sign language worked that way? Blocks made up of four levels, one for each type of chereme that people try to write down, and anything extra could be done in diacritics. Then, instead of long strings of characters and variables and faces you'd have strings of syllables. Which leads to another question: can you divide words in sign languages up into syllables like that? Have I lost it here?

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The Korean thing reminds me very much of Egyptian hieroglyphs, which I really need to start learning again.

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
The symbols represent sounds, or ideas, and they are stacked (mainly for space and aesthetics) into words. If I had finished the book I could probably tell you more, but alas, I haven't.

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I probably should have actually read the site rather than scan it to see if I was thinking along the right track. Ah well, good to see I was understood!

[identity profile] gingembre.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Check out Labanotation and related methods. Perhaps those might be useful as a reference.

[identity profile] gingembre.livejournal.com 2005-01-28 09:46 am (UTC)(link)
Glad to help. I am here now if you want to call, btw.

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The Korean thing reminds me very much of Egyptian hieroglyphs, which I really need to start learning again.

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
The symbols represent sounds, or ideas, and they are stacked (mainly for space and aesthetics) into words. If I had finished the book I could probably tell you more, but alas, I haven't.

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I probably should have actually read the site rather than scan it to see if I was thinking along the right track. Ah well, good to see I was understood!

[identity profile] gingembre.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Check out Labanotation and related methods. Perhaps those might be useful as a reference.

[identity profile] gingembre.livejournal.com 2005-01-28 09:46 am (UTC)(link)
Glad to help. I am here now if you want to call, btw.