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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2008-10-06 06:40 pm
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An article about the ultra-Orthodox in Israel who, among other things, have *kosher phones*

Well, it's their choice to restrict their lives, can't criticize them for that, however odd I find it.

But what's interesting is the segue about the "kosher" web browser.

"If your kid puts 'banana' into Google, some of the first sites he'll get are porn," explains Chairman Moshe Weiss. "Put banana into Google on Rimon, and you get all the same sites without the porn."

You know, I've heard this argument about diapers as well, and, just to check, I went over to google and put in "banana".

Well, I have no filters on my Google, and my default is to show 100 results per page, and on that first page - no porn. None at all. Not any. If I were looking for porn, I'd be sorely disappointed right now.

Of course, I was searching in English. I suppose it's possible that your average Israeli on the street is just a lot more depraved than I am...?

[identity profile] prezzey.livejournal.com 2008-10-06 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I will surprise you. Click for the screenshot! (http://www.mandeep.hu/~prezzey/misc/banana.png)

(with that being said, I still think he was explicitly looking for an innocuous-sounding keyword that led to a porn site.)

[identity profile] prezzey.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
It was on moderate filtering, the default setting... I didn't change it. Lesseee......

If I set it to the highest setting it indeed filters TEH SECKS out. Hmmmm, I see a market gap! Introductory Internet courses for Orthodox Jews :P
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[identity profile] pne.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember browsing through Wikipedia, as I sometimes do, and finding several devices some Jews use to "get around" (or so it seems to me) laws. (The eruv for carrying and the sabbath elevator are ones I can recall right now.)

The whole thing left me rather bemused - it seemed like sticking to the letter of the law while violating the spirit. It seemed to me as if they were saying that the inconvenience the law creates is large enough to justify breaking it, but then, why not go the whole hog and do it openly rather than indirectly?

[identity profile] calieber.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Must all Jewish law now be subsumed under the rubric "kosher"? Also, isn't isolating yourself from the secular world at odds with tikkun olam?

[identity profile] calieber.livejournal.com 2008-10-08 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Culturally, Italian is close enough. Ahem. Tikkun olam means "improving the world," often considered an ethical obligation of Judaism. Striving to improve the world is possibly the last vestige of Jewish identity I have.

[identity profile] prezzey.livejournal.com 2008-10-06 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I will surprise you. Click for the screenshot! (http://www.mandeep.hu/~prezzey/misc/banana.png)

(with that being said, I still think he was explicitly looking for an innocuous-sounding keyword that led to a porn site.)

[identity profile] prezzey.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
It was on moderate filtering, the default setting... I didn't change it. Lesseee......

If I set it to the highest setting it indeed filters TEH SECKS out. Hmmmm, I see a market gap! Introductory Internet courses for Orthodox Jews :P
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[identity profile] pne.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember browsing through Wikipedia, as I sometimes do, and finding several devices some Jews use to "get around" (or so it seems to me) laws. (The eruv for carrying and the sabbath elevator are ones I can recall right now.)

The whole thing left me rather bemused - it seemed like sticking to the letter of the law while violating the spirit. It seemed to me as if they were saying that the inconvenience the law creates is large enough to justify breaking it, but then, why not go the whole hog and do it openly rather than indirectly?

[identity profile] calieber.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Must all Jewish law now be subsumed under the rubric "kosher"? Also, isn't isolating yourself from the secular world at odds with tikkun olam?

[identity profile] calieber.livejournal.com 2008-10-08 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Culturally, Italian is close enough. Ahem. Tikkun olam means "improving the world," often considered an ethical obligation of Judaism. Striving to improve the world is possibly the last vestige of Jewish identity I have.