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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2007-11-04 07:54 am
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Weird fungus - bright orange. What is it?

It was growing on our nearly-dead tree outside my window. I couldn't get a good picture of it, but the limb fell down recently (honestly, the best thing to do would be to chop down the whole tree now, but nobody listens when I say that) so I went up and took two pictures, one of the underside and one of the... uh... otherside.



[identity profile] lizziey.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm. Looks like Honey (http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/68_3.jpg) fungus (http://www.lantratraining.co.uk/images/honey3.jpg).

Which, uh... can be very bad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillaria) for the surrounding plants.


Then again, it could be something else. What the hell do I know??

[identity profile] lizziey.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm. Ok. Because the second picture examle I put doesn't seem to have stalks either, so I wasn't sure/

*shrug* very sleep deprived, dont mind me.
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[identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The form of the Honey fungus is a gilled basidomycete, whereas the fungus growing on that tree is of a shelf fungus form, so I'd say that it is definitely not a Honey mushroom.

If you (Conuly) are really curious about getting to know what it is, I'd suggest borrowing a fungus book from the library, or even find a fungus ID community on f.ex. flickr.com and ask for help there.

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also [livejournal.com profile] mycology here on Livejournal.
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[identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Id guess that looking through a book is actually pretty easy with this fungus, because there can't be that many solid shelf fungi of that colour. On the other hand if you were looking to ID a white/very pale gilled bacidomycete at a young stage it'd be a pain.
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[identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it is in any way very unusual, but it does have a strong colour, which makes it easy to look for by flipping through pages, and then it is a shelf fungus, and many of them have a tendency to hang around for years, so they get noticed and put in books, they also have different growth patterns, so that probably makes it possible for you to pick this particular one from other possibilities of similarly coloured shelf fungi. I'd guess it's really just the question of fliping though the book looking for colours, and putting in a slip if you find one that's shelf shaped, and then comparing the pictures and description to the real thing.

[identity profile] ser-kai.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
We have fungi just like that growing on our sandpit timbers! I think they're cool. Pretty impressive when you take into account that I'm half a world away, nearly.

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The bottom photo is a bit out of focus- could you tell me if the underside had visible pores or not?

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The underside is what's really throwing me for a loop, here- the top photo looks for all the world like the Cinnabar-Red Polypores I collected last fall, but they're entirely the wrong color beneath, and the lack of visible pores is a confound since it could imply either no pores or very tiny pores.

My best guess is Beefsteak Polypore if it's soft and fleshy or Varnished Conk if it's hard and woody, but I'm really going out on a limb... especially because both of those generally prefer the base of trees to the branches. Shelf fungi in general can negatively impact the health of a host plant, but a lot of them also go for deadwood so if you haven't seen this fungus before now, it might have moved in because your tree was already so dead.

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not really trying to contradict you on the pores issue, but I'm not aware of a single North American species shaped like that which wouldn't have either gills or pores, however teeny and hard to see without squinting through a hand lens. There are some polypore species whose pores absolutely can't be seen without high-resolution magnification, but the only ones I know of are smaller and paper-thin.

...It occurs to me that your fungus may have taken a tumble when the branch fell and we may actually be looking at it upside down. If so, it could be the Cinnabar-Red after all, with the knobbly poreless "underside" being the cap, which fades with age (http://www.messiah.edu/Oakes/fungi_on_wood/poroid%20fungi/images/Pyc%20cinnabarinus%20habit%20LG.jpg), and the bright orange "top" being the pore surface (http://www.messiah.edu/Oakes/fungi_on_wood/poroid%20fungi/images/Pyc%20cinnabarinus%20pores%20FH.jpg).

[identity profile] autovatic.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's almost certainly a cinnabar red, myself. I don't think I've ever run across another shelf fungus that colour.

[identity profile] ironychan.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid, not being a mycologist, the best you're goign to get out of me is that it looks like a slice of yam.

Guess at 1st glance

[identity profile] mycorrhiza.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
Picnoporus cinnabarinus - try the Google images to see if it fits.

Re: Guess at 1st glance

[identity profile] earthnelements.livejournal.com 2008-03-16 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That looks like a chicken fungus, not the same as the unidentified fungus. I have in my possession a piece of fungus exactly like what the OP is trying to identify. I too am trying to identify it. To confirm her findings I have a couple of pics on my flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/9169986@N07/2338642496/ take a look. There are no pores on the top side (the light colored side) the deep orange red velvety side IS definitely the underside. There is a central stump/stalk on the orange red side that the fungus seems to sprout grow from, and that stalk is firmly attached to the wood in which it grows.

I have a friend perusing a field guide to see if it is there, will post again if so.

[identity profile] lizziey.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm. Looks like Honey (http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/68_3.jpg) fungus (http://www.lantratraining.co.uk/images/honey3.jpg).

Which, uh... can be very bad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillaria) for the surrounding plants.


Then again, it could be something else. What the hell do I know??

[identity profile] lizziey.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm. Ok. Because the second picture examle I put doesn't seem to have stalks either, so I wasn't sure/

*shrug* very sleep deprived, dont mind me.
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[identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The form of the Honey fungus is a gilled basidomycete, whereas the fungus growing on that tree is of a shelf fungus form, so I'd say that it is definitely not a Honey mushroom.

If you (Conuly) are really curious about getting to know what it is, I'd suggest borrowing a fungus book from the library, or even find a fungus ID community on f.ex. flickr.com and ask for help there.

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also [livejournal.com profile] mycology here on Livejournal.
ext_620: (Default)

[identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Id guess that looking through a book is actually pretty easy with this fungus, because there can't be that many solid shelf fungi of that colour. On the other hand if you were looking to ID a white/very pale gilled bacidomycete at a young stage it'd be a pain.
ext_620: (Default)

[identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it is in any way very unusual, but it does have a strong colour, which makes it easy to look for by flipping through pages, and then it is a shelf fungus, and many of them have a tendency to hang around for years, so they get noticed and put in books, they also have different growth patterns, so that probably makes it possible for you to pick this particular one from other possibilities of similarly coloured shelf fungi. I'd guess it's really just the question of fliping though the book looking for colours, and putting in a slip if you find one that's shelf shaped, and then comparing the pictures and description to the real thing.

[identity profile] ser-kai.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
We have fungi just like that growing on our sandpit timbers! I think they're cool. Pretty impressive when you take into account that I'm half a world away, nearly.

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The bottom photo is a bit out of focus- could you tell me if the underside had visible pores or not?

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The underside is what's really throwing me for a loop, here- the top photo looks for all the world like the Cinnabar-Red Polypores I collected last fall, but they're entirely the wrong color beneath, and the lack of visible pores is a confound since it could imply either no pores or very tiny pores.

My best guess is Beefsteak Polypore if it's soft and fleshy or Varnished Conk if it's hard and woody, but I'm really going out on a limb... especially because both of those generally prefer the base of trees to the branches. Shelf fungi in general can negatively impact the health of a host plant, but a lot of them also go for deadwood so if you haven't seen this fungus before now, it might have moved in because your tree was already so dead.

[identity profile] appadil.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not really trying to contradict you on the pores issue, but I'm not aware of a single North American species shaped like that which wouldn't have either gills or pores, however teeny and hard to see without squinting through a hand lens. There are some polypore species whose pores absolutely can't be seen without high-resolution magnification, but the only ones I know of are smaller and paper-thin.

...It occurs to me that your fungus may have taken a tumble when the branch fell and we may actually be looking at it upside down. If so, it could be the Cinnabar-Red after all, with the knobbly poreless "underside" being the cap, which fades with age (http://www.messiah.edu/Oakes/fungi_on_wood/poroid%20fungi/images/Pyc%20cinnabarinus%20habit%20LG.jpg), and the bright orange "top" being the pore surface (http://www.messiah.edu/Oakes/fungi_on_wood/poroid%20fungi/images/Pyc%20cinnabarinus%20pores%20FH.jpg).

[identity profile] autovatic.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's almost certainly a cinnabar red, myself. I don't think I've ever run across another shelf fungus that colour.

[identity profile] ironychan.livejournal.com 2007-11-04 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid, not being a mycologist, the best you're goign to get out of me is that it looks like a slice of yam.

Guess at 1st glance

[identity profile] mycorrhiza.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
Picnoporus cinnabarinus - try the Google images to see if it fits.

Re: Guess at 1st glance

[identity profile] earthnelements.livejournal.com 2008-03-16 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That looks like a chicken fungus, not the same as the unidentified fungus. I have in my possession a piece of fungus exactly like what the OP is trying to identify. I too am trying to identify it. To confirm her findings I have a couple of pics on my flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/9169986@N07/2338642496/ take a look. There are no pores on the top side (the light colored side) the deep orange red velvety side IS definitely the underside. There is a central stump/stalk on the orange red side that the fungus seems to sprout grow from, and that stalk is firmly attached to the wood in which it grows.

I have a friend perusing a field guide to see if it is there, will post again if so.