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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2005-12-02 01:30 am
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Today's not-so-inspirational quote...

2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

I'm sure that somehow, that inspired someone back in the day, but I'm just not seeing it.

[identity profile] pornography.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
That's really...boring :|

[identity profile] literalgirl.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
OK. I am SO TIRED that the first time I scanned that, I thought every "begat" was "beat"! :-)

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
Ohhh, that brings back the good ol' days of Sunday School. I remember reading that right from the bible, very nice. It wasn't any more interesting then!

[identity profile] fjorab-teke.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, I've read the Bible three times straight through, and the "begats" have an uncanny ability to make me zone out. I think it's mostly (if not entirely) for "royal blood" ancestry records...showing who come from which ancestries. Of COURSE, it's only in the male line straight through.

Animal pedigrees fascinate me more than that. :-p At least I can see MORE of their lineage and (in some instances) see an ancestor pup up in more than one place.
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[personal profile] rachelkachel 2005-12-02 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
At least that particular passage is more interesting than Numbers.

One of the interesting things about it is that it goes through Joseph, not Mary. There's another passage somewhere that traces it through Mary, which is kind of cool.

[identity profile] jedirita.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Another cool thing about this genealogy is that it includes four women of questionable virtue/pedigree:

v. 3 "Thamar" or Tamar, who was Judah's own daughter-in-law, therefore a situation of incest.

v. 5 "Rachab", or Rahab, who was a prostitute, and Ruth, who was a gentile foreigner

v 6, "the wife of Urias," or Bathesheba, who had an adulterous liaison with David.

It's unusual enough for a genealogy to include women's names, but the fact that all four of these women were a bit suspect is even more unusual. It casts some doubt on Jesus' pedigree, and points to the scandal around Mary. This genealogy is a very shocking way to begin the story of Jesus. "Virgin birth." Yeah, right.

[identity profile] fledchen.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I never understood that bit...why go through the ancestry of Joseph, when he is supposedly *not* Jesus Christ's father? Why not go through the ancestry of Mary?

[identity profile] jeffreysmith.livejournal.com 2005-12-03 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Presumably they had a good deal of fun doing all that begatting.
Shouldn't that inspire you?

And the tradition is that if one studies/contemplates/meditates over Genesis Chapter 38 (the genealogy of Esau and the kings of Edom) all the mysteries of the Messiah will be revealed.

[identity profile] raleighj.livejournal.com 2005-12-04 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
As to the "how the heck could this be inspiring" question...I think it has to do with the affirmation of the Davidic or Messianic lineage. Or maybe that's the other one. Geneology/heritage/etc. was a rather big deal, in either case.

[identity profile] pornography.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
That's really...boring :|

[identity profile] literalgirl.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
OK. I am SO TIRED that the first time I scanned that, I thought every "begat" was "beat"! :-)

[identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
Ohhh, that brings back the good ol' days of Sunday School. I remember reading that right from the bible, very nice. It wasn't any more interesting then!

[identity profile] fjorab-teke.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, I've read the Bible three times straight through, and the "begats" have an uncanny ability to make me zone out. I think it's mostly (if not entirely) for "royal blood" ancestry records...showing who come from which ancestries. Of COURSE, it's only in the male line straight through.

Animal pedigrees fascinate me more than that. :-p At least I can see MORE of their lineage and (in some instances) see an ancestor pup up in more than one place.
rachelkachel: (Default)

[personal profile] rachelkachel 2005-12-02 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
At least that particular passage is more interesting than Numbers.

One of the interesting things about it is that it goes through Joseph, not Mary. There's another passage somewhere that traces it through Mary, which is kind of cool.

[identity profile] jedirita.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Another cool thing about this genealogy is that it includes four women of questionable virtue/pedigree:

v. 3 "Thamar" or Tamar, who was Judah's own daughter-in-law, therefore a situation of incest.

v. 5 "Rachab", or Rahab, who was a prostitute, and Ruth, who was a gentile foreigner

v 6, "the wife of Urias," or Bathesheba, who had an adulterous liaison with David.

It's unusual enough for a genealogy to include women's names, but the fact that all four of these women were a bit suspect is even more unusual. It casts some doubt on Jesus' pedigree, and points to the scandal around Mary. This genealogy is a very shocking way to begin the story of Jesus. "Virgin birth." Yeah, right.

[identity profile] fledchen.livejournal.com 2005-12-02 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I never understood that bit...why go through the ancestry of Joseph, when he is supposedly *not* Jesus Christ's father? Why not go through the ancestry of Mary?

[identity profile] jeffreysmith.livejournal.com 2005-12-03 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Presumably they had a good deal of fun doing all that begatting.
Shouldn't that inspire you?

And the tradition is that if one studies/contemplates/meditates over Genesis Chapter 38 (the genealogy of Esau and the kings of Edom) all the mysteries of the Messiah will be revealed.

[identity profile] raleighj.livejournal.com 2005-12-04 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
As to the "how the heck could this be inspiring" question...I think it has to do with the affirmation of the Davidic or Messianic lineage. Or maybe that's the other one. Geneology/heritage/etc. was a rather big deal, in either case.